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Would you vote for Donald Trump for President of the USA

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 63

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Re: Donald Trump For President??

Post by hrmwrm » August 6th 2017 - 10:01 pm

weapons of mass destruction was a known lie. but it was also from MANIPULATION of the head of the department at that time.
cheney manipulated and choice worded his way through a lot. i read/watched a lot on the disemination of what exactly happened there.
it was more whitehouse than intelligence that pushed that.cheney's directive was to get into iraq however they could.
after al, that was their FIRST choice, until it became known pubicly that the perpetrators were hanging out in afghanistan.
any story that gave them the right to go into iraq would have done.

and if you wonder why the REPUBLICANS are wary of russian ties, it's because some of top was funded by them too.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ce=Twitter
Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.
makes one wonder. :hmm:
During the 2015-2016 election season, Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonid "Len" Blavatnik contributed $6.35 million to leading Republican candidates and incumbent senators. Mitch McConnell was the top recipient of Blavatnik's donations, collecting $2.5 million for his GOP Senate Leadership Fund under the names of two of Blavatnik's holding companies, Access Industries and AI Altep Holdings, according to Federal Election Commission documents and OpenSecrets.org.

Marco Rubio's Conservative Solutions PAC and his Florida First Project received $1.5 million through Blavatnik's two holding companies. Other high dollar recipients of funding from Blavatnik were PACS representing Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker at $1.1 million, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham at $800,000, Ohio Governor John Kasich at $250,000 and Arizona Senator John McCain at $200,000.
In January, Quartz reported that Blavatnik donated another $1 million to Trump's Inaugural Committee. Ironically, the shared address of Blavatnik's companies is directly across the street from Trump Tower on 5th Avenue in New York.
Len Blavatnik, considered to be one of the richest men in Great Britain, holds dual citizenship in the U.S. and the U.K. He is known for his business savvy and generous philanthropy, but not without controversy.
In 2010, Oxford University drew intense criticism for accepting a donation of 75 million pounds from Blavatnik for a new school of government bearing his name. Faculty, alumni and international human rights activists claimed the university was selling its reputation and prestige to Putin's associates.
Blavatnik's relationships with Russian oligarchs close to Putin, particularly Oleg Deripaska, should be worrisome for Trump and the six GOP leaders who took Blavatnik's money during the 2016 presidential campaign. Lucky for them no one has noticed. Yet.

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Re: Donald Trump For President??

Post by dcyel » August 6th 2017 - 10:29 pm

Still nothing wrong here as the man has both the US and UK citizenship and may choose his business relations freely.

Would be a total different story if the man had the Russian nationality and controversy never killed a cat.So its only another shady deal but know what..
If every candidate should be pressed to release their campaign funding im sure one would find some strange birds amongst them.
This is just how a f*cked up system works and its the same in many countries.
One donates and expects to be served by the elected one afterwards.
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Post by hrmwrm » August 7th 2017 - 5:10 am

he keeps his home ties.
anyways, now trump has started his own propaganda media. "real news" so he can employ another family member. :lol1:
http://ijr.com/the-response/2017/08/937 ... cant-list/
really beleives his braggard bullshit doesn't he. :lol1:

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Post by dcyel » August 7th 2017 - 8:48 pm

Not a bad move and having a former CNN fake news media employee presenting the thing is a masterpiece :lol1:

Now another word on Flynn and why he is under fire.

Do you remember General Flynn revealing on TV that it was a “willful decision” of the Obama regime to send ISIS to Syria over his objection as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency?
This bit of told truth is why Gen. Flynn is hated by the Washington deep state who forced him out as Trump’s National Security Adviser.
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Post by hrmwrm » August 9th 2017 - 8:01 am

"deep state" means it's a russian story. :lol1:

flynn was pushed out for his ties to foriegn govenments and being an unregistered foreign agent. trump should never have hired him, and was told so before his inauguration. flynn was compromised. and for the while he was in office, he held up the arming of the kurds, which was to fight isis, but was not what turkey wanted since they see the kurds as terrorists to them. and turkey is who flynn was paid $500,000 from.
those are FACTS behind his firing.
right after flynn was fired, the arming of the kurds went forward. against turkeys wishes, but they were in a good fighting postion against isis on the ground. arming them was the lesser of 2 evils.

do you forget the furor over flynn having a security clearance anymore? only because he lied of his ties to foriegn agencies? actually, he didn't put them on his forms. but since he was under investigation already, it all came out finally. everything trump KNEW before hiring him.
flynn was under investigation and going to be charged anyways. trump did flynn to himself. you don't hire a known embezzeler to run a bank, else you suffer the consequences.

trump was told by obama and obama's attorney general what intelligence had on flynn, and that he can't be hired for the position.
but the stubborn oompa loompa just had to do it anyway. probably because it was obama who told him.
trump hates anything about that muslim kenyan doesn't he. :lol1:

so, no, it wasn't no deep state pushing him out. it was his own criminal doings that saw to that. being ex military, he technically needs congresses authorization to accept the money he did. considering he still wears an american military uniform too.

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Post by hrmwrm » August 9th 2017 - 12:12 pm

see, and this is why trump must be removed. because he and the people around him are batshit crazy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eva ... s_politics

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Re: Donald Trump For President??

Post by dcyel » August 9th 2017 - 8:31 pm

The Huffington Post isn't quality any more since it was sold, only as good as other msm.

Flynn did declare on TV that the Obama administration did send ISIS into Syria and nobody reacted then.Have you ever wondered why the US didn't carpet bomb the ISIS column whilst they were nearing Mosul ?
It was a political decision to ditch the Iraqi premier at the time and to further harass Assad who was slowly gaining confidence again and this decision made thousands of civilian deaths.
Flynn might be burned but together with the foreign secretary they would have been the only capable members in the whole Trump administration.
The rest are dangerous retarded apes and Sessions is the worst one.
But it looks like the democrats are using the Russia fairytale to block capable persons to join the Trump administration.
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Post by hrmwrm » August 10th 2017 - 3:29 am

The Huffington Post isn't quality any more since it was sold,
still more believable than rt. :-)
Flynn did declare on TV that the Obama administration did send ISIS into Syria and nobody reacted then.
can't find nothing about that. i have found where obama sent 250 troops into syria to fight isis.
how could obama order isis into syria? sounds confused to me. :lol1:
obama had no control on isis. they pretty much went where they wanted.

you gotta stop listening to russian news and that fire mcmaster campaign of theirs.
everything you argue is the next russian propaganda campaign. :lol1:
i'ts actually funny. everything you post i've read about the false campaign behind it. like even seth rich.
not to say quite a few probably hold the same view as they peruse the same stories. the russian campaign has never stopped.
along with faux news, and trump, their diversions work well.

like even the hate for sessions. trump has chosen all of his members. if they are apes, then they were chosen by the king orangutan. :lol1:
he's responsible for his own woes. if his government is ineffective, it's from his own doing.
he hasn't replaced most of the people who should be working. it's why he's so behind.
if every time he got off his fat ass to golf he actually did something instead, he might get something done.
there are about 300(?) or so jobs he needs to nominate people for.
should just admit he can't do it and resign. :hippy:

manafort had his house raided by the fbi now,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 552068001/

and 1 republican senator is asking the rest to dump trump for mental capacity.
http://www.newsweek.com/ex-gop-senator- ... ess-649004 :lol1:

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Post by hrmwrm » August 10th 2017 - 9:35 am

now it's a faux news person as the state department speaker. seriously, why does trump pick these people.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/twenty- ... t-speaker/
or, what did she do to get there. must be the ones not offended by getting their pussy grabbed. :lol1:

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Re: Donald Trump For President??

Post by dcyel » August 10th 2017 - 8:41 pm

There is no doubt that Flynn said that the Obama administration ordered ISIS into Syria. This happened a few months after the war started there.

It was the US policy to let anything happen that should help to put a end to the Assad regime but the US miscalculated the sudden IS move into Iraq.But this also was left untouched until it was far to late.
Flynn and Tillerson are capable folks, just discard the rest and Trump should be less impulsive.Think its a lack of experience but I do not think that Trump is a dumb person.
He's playing a dangerous game with North Korea and it would be better if he kept his mouth shut as NK barks and threatens but never bites.For NK the possession of ICBM's is vital for the surviving of the current regime as it will make it impossible for other countries to invade them without a heavy toll to pay.
Let me remind you that during the Korean war the North had a huge support from China and Russia that led to a status quo in the end.
Now they are lacking this support from their former allies and are facing sanctions since many years and I think they are fishing the grounds to get a permanent peace treaty with all sides involved which would lead to lifting the current sanctions.
And for the last time: I am totally not influenced by anything im reading no matter from where it comes from but I am born with a lot of common sense and a clear view on things.
And to make myself totally clear: the alleged Russian hacking and meddling into the US elections and the DNC is a made up hoax.
But I also think that some of Trump's campaign folks had contacts with Russian officials as Trump's intentions were totally unknown territory for Russia.
They knew all to well where Hillary stood for, a harder continuing of the Obama policy.
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Post by hrmwrm » August 11th 2017 - 12:47 am

i think your wording is off, as obama never ORDERED isis into syria. he was not in control or command of them. now with military operations he may have pushed them into syria, but as long as it achieves your goal, what does it matter.
this has nothing to do with trump anyways. nor flynns present trouble, so it means nothing. :hippy:
just another diversion.

found this story interesting. while not definitive it does give you an idea of just what the investigation could be looking into.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/ ... -syndicate
just how trump has been involved with russian money, possibly much of it being laundered by him.
take it or leave it.
the alleged Russian hacking and meddling into the US elections and the DNC is a made up hoax.
according to you and russia. except for a few detractors, there is NOBODY in the american intelligence or congress who doesn't believe that russia hacked the election. which is why when you stand on that, i can no longer believe anything you say. the only thing up for debate is whether trump was a part of it. or his minions.
it even happened for election day.
but your right, contrary to trumps claims(1), russia didn't want hillary to win. there was no hope of relief from sanctions with her. or so they thought.
we'll never know now. :laugh:
((1) in case you wonder, trump said in an interview that russia was hoping hillary won)

trumps biggest problem is he can't just shut his mouth(or fingers). :lol1:
his rhetoric towards nk borders on a war declaration. it's why someone has started something to remove some his ability to order a nuclear strike. it goes back to the days of nixon and the wonderment of , if you are asked to launch a missile, is it from a sane president? :lol1:
( a military officer was fired for presenting such a question in nixons time)
was it a carefully deliberated decision, or like from trump with his tweets, just a knee jerk reaction.

when idiot oompa loompa went out to the new aircraft carrier he said they were all going back to steam instead of some electro magntic launch system that only einstein can understand. :lol1: (he said he's got the highest iq and doesn't know? :lol1: )
so far, they've ignored the verbal request. and all future ones are still going to be electro magnetic. with all his bluster, nobody is listening to his words anymore. although kim jung un took him at his word. and here the trouble lies.
(found the story. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... mg00000009 ) :lol1:
his bombacity is going to lead to troubles when dealing with places like nk.

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Re: Donald Trump For President??

Post by dcyel » August 11th 2017 - 2:01 am

I think that that congress and the intelligence services are believing their wishful thinking so much amplified in the media after all.

You better read what a integer investigate journalist wrote about the whole thing:Hersch.
They tried to discredit him with all possible means for what he said after a real good peace of investigating journalism.
And time will tell if im right or wrong but the US intelligence community is this burned by spouting blatant lies over and over again during the past years I tend to disbelieve them.
Trump is serving the ones who elected and funded his campaign in the coal story and may I remind you that electro magnetic launch systems do not have the needed capacity to launch the heaviest pay loaded aircraft yet.
I do agree that Trump is way to impulsive and endangering fellow American lives by doing so.Maybe he might trigger a full nuclear war between the major world powers just by threatening and impulsive language and decisions.
So I totally agree with you to strip him from his ability to order a nuclear strike and I hope NK gets the message when this actually happens.
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