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Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by Ingolf » October 22nd 2011 - 9:14 pm

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Muammar Gaddafi was a great revolutionary in his time, he seized power in a bloodless military coup, until 2011 when his government was overthrown in a civil war which consisted of a popular uprising aided by a NATO intervention.

The above statement is almost a copy/paste of the wikipedia page, which you can find here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

Everybody has some sort of believe that he was the man behind the Lockerbie terrorist act, but its disputed to this day as much as the theory of the Big Bang. So why is that?

If you want to get to the bottom of the event, you can start here:
LIE: Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing

Libya and Gaddafi was FRAMED for the Lockerbie Bombing. END OFF. This was probably one of the EARLIEST LIES to frame Gaddafi and socially engineer the public’s perception of him.

This is based on the premise that key evidence presented at the trial (e.g. timer fragment, parts from a specific radio cassette model, clothing bought in Malta, bomb suitcase originating at Luqa Airport) was deliberately fabricated by the U.S. and Britain for the "political" purpose of incriminating Libya.

Why?

Because of all the reasons stated above and below. Libya was bad for Big business and Big Banking, so something had to be done – like the Lockerbie Bombing, so that lies could be fabricated and Gaddafi could be demonised over the years until his death.

Even though Gaddafi was never involved in the Lockerbie Bombing, recently the mainstream media is jumping around the fact that he somehow “was”.
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Who was Muammar Gaddafi?
After seizing power in 1969, he abolished the Libyan Constitution of 1951. He established laws based on the political ideology he had formulated, called the Third International Theory and published in The Green Book.

Rising oil prices and extraction in Libya led to increasing revenues. By exporting as much oil per capita as Saudi Arabia, Libya achieved the highest living standards in Africa
Let me start on a page that cought my eye:
LIE: “The people of Libya were oppressed and were living in poverty under Gaddafi’s rule”

This lie is probably the funniest, and the easiest to debunk.

There was very little poverty (almost compared to Western standards) and Libya had literally the best living standards in Africa ranking 55th out of 172 countries (before NATO and Rebel interference) according to the Human Development Index - 0.755

The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had:

Free education,
Free health care,
Free farmland a house and seeds,
Free energy bills,
$50,000 housing money for just married couples,
Interest free loans,
Debt free country,
Government pays half for your car,
Near free gasoline prices
etc.

The people in Libya were oppressed? This country sounds like the American dream which the people of America never had!

And just to note, almost EVERY country in Africa today is dependent on Foreign Aid, except Libya (during Gaddafi's rule).
Memory of Gaddafi

This is almost identical to the Grand Chessboard written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, and which Michael Ruppert warned about Michael C. Ruppert

I dont believe in prophecies, but imho, Michael Ruppert got it right.

Then again, Gadaffi was Gaddafi put on display in shopping center freezer
(Thanks to Doc for the link)

How humane and democratic is that ?

Its al about middle east domination. Nations are toppling one after the other, and the idea is that when it gets started, they will all fall. The grand idea is to get the remaining oil. Who thinks for a second that Nato or the worlds largest military power, the US military, is not dominated by oil? :whistle:
Planes trains and automobiles was a fun movie, but it also stated some facts about the western living as a whole. It don't work without oil. Actually, this post was probably forwarded by a server somewhere in the world where the energy was oil.

Also ask yourself, why did Muammar Gaddafi held on to his colonel status? He could at any time rose to a General, or President, but he didnt :hmm:

Welcome to the Grand Chess Board!

So what is the next move ?

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by dukster64 » October 23rd 2011 - 5:43 am

I was wondering when you were going to post a thread about Gaddafi :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:



Are you seriously trying to defend that murderous despot ? :dunno:

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by carpe » October 23rd 2011 - 5:51 am

i wish Canada had living standards like those posted!

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by Tiinuli » October 23rd 2011 - 10:49 am

dukster64 wrote: Are you seriously trying to defend that murderous despot ? :dunno:
Same thoughts here
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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by ElGuappo » October 23rd 2011 - 11:21 am

Ingolf wrote: Welcome to the Grand Chess Board!
So what is the next move ?
Personally I find all of these conspiracy and cover-up theories a little too convenient. What are they really hiding eh? :hmm:

I don't know but I bet that whatever it is, it'll be big oil/big tobacco/Ikea pulling the strings of the puppet behind the puppet behind the Illuminati behind the alien lizards.

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by dukster64 » October 23rd 2011 - 1:08 pm

:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by Ingolf » October 23rd 2011 - 2:48 pm

dukster64 wrote:Are you seriously trying to defend that murderous despot ? :dunno:
No. I am trying to get a discussion going. But it seems everyone already have made their mind up. :whistle:

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by Ingolf » October 24th 2011 - 5:07 pm



Interesting :whistle:

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by dukster64 » October 24th 2011 - 5:26 pm

Never heard of that before - it's certainly interesting :goodj:


then again, I never thought allied support for the invasion was about protecting Benghazi either (but I thought it was manly because of oil contracts)

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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by drcoolmor » October 24th 2011 - 5:35 pm

Ingolf :thumbup2:

Most of us are aware of the infamous UN speech by Ghaddafi where he made some remarkable accusations against the UN, security council and the US. Here is a short clip.



some of the things he mentioned were that
- JFK was assasinated by Israel.
- Swine flu was a bio-weapon to be used by military (the mic sound was mysteriosuly shut off at the point)
- The UN security council is a "terror" council
- The UN has promoted wars instead of preventing them
- All the members of the security council have nuclear weapons
- 9/11 was not carried out by outsiders



Let us also not forget what Ghaddafi did to protect its oil resource
U.S. companies had historically played a major role in Libya’s oil development. The Oasis Group — a consortium of ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil and Hess — and Occidental Petroleum were particularly prominent. Exxon, Chevron and Italy’s state-run Eni were also major players.

They had weathered the 1969 coup when Gaddafi seized power. In 1970, when Gaddafi had threatened to nationalize oil operations, Occidental Chairman Armand Hammer flew to Tripoli for face-to-face negotiations. Each night, he flew back to Paris, where he felt safer. At one meeting, the deputy prime minister put his .45 revolver down on the table. The result: Libya extracted higher prices and a boost in royalties.

That was the beginning of a decade that tilted the balance of power away from oil companies toward oil-exporting countries.

In late February 2008...according to a U.S. State Department cable made available by WikiLeaks. Gaddafi “threatened to dramatically reduce Libya’s oil production and/or expel U.S. oil and gas companies,” the cable said.
Due to Ghaddafi's different ideas and philosophy, the US and British Secret services have tried to assasinate him before without success. However, a planned revolution against Ghaddafi in the early 1970s was stopped by the USA. If the USA and UK could cause uprisings then, what are they capable of today? Makes you wonder who is behind these revolutions/protests taking place world wide and what their ultimate goal is.

Yes it is true that Ghaddafi was a tyrant and was greedy. If he had shared that wealth with his people, he might be alive today.

All conspiracy theorists that were leaders this decade be it Sadam, Bin laden (when did he die again?), and Ghaddafi are dead.

Should we dance, laugh and forget about what they said about the forces that are at work in this world?
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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by dcyel » October 24th 2011 - 9:10 pm

I fully agree with Ingolf on this and the truth is just sad but said.

Knew this for quite a while and to me Nato has changed from a defensive alliance into a capitalist oppression organization which just writes its own rules.

Gaddafi was a oppressor but one of a special kind and its quite hilarious that all his supposed crimes get on the surface when the West turned against him.
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Re: Muammar Gaddafi - yet another pawn?

Post by Ingolf » November 12th 2011 - 5:59 pm

Looks like its business as usual

Snippet from Dailymail:
The UK’s bill for its part in the NATO intervention in Libya is estimated at just under US $500 million. But according to the UK Department of Trade and Investment, the value of contracts to rebuild Libya, in areas ranging from electricity and water supplies to healthcare and education, could amount to upwards of US $300 billion over the next 10 years. And the British government will make sure it takes a leading role in that, just as it did in the war.
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If anyone was in doubt that war isn't big business, this is the time to reconsider.
This is UK alone, earning about $300bn in ten years. I wonder how much USA, and even Denmark will gain on this warcrime? :dunno:
The puppet regime installed, along with the new privatised central bank and IMF loans will put the country into massive debt, with most of the oil revenue and other profits going abroad. The Libyan people will be enslaved and never get back what they lost. Under the terms of most of these IMF loans, the work usually goes to favoured western corporations. Sure, they'll use local labour because it's cheap, but will charge the earth anyway.

Of course it's blood money. Look how many people NATO killed in order to get the job done, committing plenty of war crimes along the way - bombing and destruction of civilian infrastructure, bombing of civilian targets etc, they just twisted the original UN mandate and made the rules up as they went along. So yes, that money / profit that will go to the corporations and banks cost the lives of thousands of innocent people to secure.

The aid agencies always call on people to donate for these crises. Hell, the government will even chip in as well, with taxpayers money, as the rate of return will be well worth it for the treasury and their corporate friends.

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