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Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 5th 2015 - 11:15 pm
by dcyel
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Every manufacturer is doing the same and is even worse than VW which ends at 4.2 times the nox emission.

Judge for yourself and Ford is way more out of line using French PSA engines with 5.6 times the allowed emission.

The above chart is about co2 emissions and looks pretty much going the same route..

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 5th 2015 - 11:38 pm
by carpe
:hmm: :hmm:

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 14th 2015 - 10:45 pm
by sandyp
yeh seen it on the news a feew days ago that some petrol cars are firing out to many fumes nnow as well not seen it back on news again they prob concentrating on vw

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 14th 2015 - 10:54 pm
by dcyel
They all lied but VW installed cheating software as well whilst the others were more relying on false and prepped up test results they payed a so called independent test lab for.
The EU simply took those results for granted well knowing they were smoothed out and now politicians are shouting murder :dunno:

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 15th 2015 - 4:08 am
by hrmwrm
it's the stringent standards they use for testing as well that skew the outcomes.
all things must be at a certain temp etc to be able to pass the test.
ask anybody who has to go for testing. go for a 10 mile drive before heading to testing.
everything will be operating at normal then.
at least even when cold, they do put out less than vehicles before them.
can't be 2 bad. there is testing in california and you don't hear of any brands massively failing emissions.

but emission standards are regional along with testing. if you're somewhere where there is no testing, then I'll guess you'll never know if they're compliant or not.


it was only a matter of time til vw got caught, as the whole auto industry was wondering how they were passing emissions without diesel particulate filters. (DPF) which also needs DPF fluid.

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 16th 2015 - 5:52 am
by deadbodyman
Funny thing about all of this, over the years of being mechanic and emissions inspector here in Ontario Canada, it seemed strange that the most difficult vehicles to pass the emissions tests were some of the specified imports above (domestics here are GM, Ford and Chrysler).

About a couple years ago, all tests were done by running your car on a dyno with the tailpipe sniffer. Since then you only need the OBD computer scan.
In simple terms, I mean this....

1. 1987 and under = no emission test needed

2. 1988 - 1997 = tailpipe sniff with 3 gas analyser for HC's, CO's and NOX. (today it is only a 2 speed idle for HC's and CO's since the change)

3. 1998 to present needs OBD computer scan now with all systems "ready and checked" by your vehicle's OBD self tests. (you can't simply erase the codes with a scanner and take it for a test)

This means, if your MIL/Check engine light is off and your vehicle's software is happy with what it sees for emissions, the MIL will stay off.
You car now passes the emissions test and you have an uncle named Bob. :hippy:

As for diesel vehicles, it is simply a visual for black smoke from the tailpipe.

Again, this is the greater Toronto are of Ontario and many northern regions have different laws. I am sure all of the provinces vary with the regulations. :wink2:

Re: Not only VW, everybody is doing it.

Posted: October 16th 2015 - 8:40 am
by hrmwrm
I am sure all of the provinces vary with the regulations.
we still actually remove cats and DPF's.
DPF deletes and egr deletes for a lot of oil field trucks. it's impossible to get them to run the way necessary for emissions to work.